Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. Reading has been very important through my crisis. Andy Coulson. [23], In 2008 an employment tribunal upheld a claim of bullying by Coulson whilst he was at the News of The World. I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. The Pickwick Papers, I think, I would probably choose as the favourite. Do you feel the need to sometimes wear that like a badge, to own it in certain situations? Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. I can tell you that Belmarsh is not a holiday camp by any measure. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. Because I read at one point that youd been pushed down the stairs. Its appalling. I do believe its a muscle and my muscle was very well exercised by the time I found myself dealing with my own. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? Youve got, obviously, a lot of press outside your front door. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. We are all hard workers. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. In January, a former News of the World journalist told the trial that his phone hacking skills were the main reason Coulson had hired him. There were a lot of agendas being played. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. September 18, 2020. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. Now, I dont recall seeing one of you. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . Six former members of staff from the now defunct. But thats the really easy answer to give, isnt it? On 21 November 2014, Coulson was released from prison having served less than five months of his 18-month prison sentence. Andy: Well that didnt happen immediately, because theres a period of time between verdict and sentencing. Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. Episode 8. I have to say I managed to get to that point reasonably quickly and I ran it as a campaign. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. Private investigator Glenn Mulcaire, remunerated by the newspaper, was given a custodial sentence of six months. And there were some jet streams in the sky, without getting too poetic about it. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. Coulson Partners offer strategic advice that moves the dial. What happened, happened. His predecessors had had the highest level of vetting, as did his successor and (after his departure) his deputy. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. Andy: And then you go onto a tag and then, by the way, you are on licence for another lump of time and you are very restricted. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? And I thought that was very generous of them really. Andy: Their choice really. My mum, who has had a lot of difficulty in her life, is an amazing woman and shes incredibly resilient. I spent five years talking about it. Your job is to be judgemental. And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. There were some fights, but never anything directed at me and nothing that caused me to feel scared in Belmarsh and certainly not when I got to Hollesley Bay, which was a different regime altogether. I think that we are all stronger for it. I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. I say that because I have been so completely blown away by the support and friendship that Ive had from people who, frankly, owed me nothing. He thankfully survived and is perfectly fit and well now, but it was touch and go for a while and ask me those moments, you know, when your son is going into an operating theatre, compare that moment with the moment of going through the green door that I described; there is no comparison. I ran it as a campaign in my head and I had charts on the wall, at one stage the house was literally full of files. Is that why you resigned? [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. Thats how I sort of see it really and thats how I see life. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. So thats why were doing this. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. View the profiles of professionals named "Andy Coulson" on LinkedIn. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. [1] They have three children. Andy: Well, we did talk about it and wed already talked about it. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. Andy: Well I just think for anyone, him or anyone, me included, trying to live life through the rear-view mirror is an utterly pointless exercise, so I dont know. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. 59 records for Andy Coulson. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. The CPS said that witnesses interviewed by Metropolitan Police including those who had previously made allegations through media outlets had not been willing to provide admissible evidence. Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. What was the apex of your crisis, do you think? Theres also one thats totally out of your control and that is random violence. So I changed my mind. Andy Coulson is Former Editor of News of the World, Former Director of Communications, Downing Street, and an expert speaker on communications, crisis management and reputation. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. I didnt accept the verdict but I certainly accepted its consequences. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. [13] On 17 April 2015, the Crown Prosecution Service announced that Coulson's retrial was to be scrapped, along with that of Goodman and the trials of seven other journalists. The purpose of the company is not recorded by Companies House, but is reportedly a public relations agency. Thats the key; youve got to get the right therapist and not all therapists are right for all people. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? People were being genuinely kind to me. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. Im undoubtedly happier. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. Former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were having an affair for at least six years from the late 1990s, the phone-hacking trial has heard. He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. But I cant lie about it, I also found it, I think because Im a journalist by trade, I found some elements of it fascinating. Series 2. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. Everything is there in that book and its a cracking read. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. Its definitely true of The Pickwick Papers because youve got politics, youve got the law, youve got prison, youve got journalism. I think thats been an enormous help. Andy: Probably a bit of both. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. "[53] These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking,[54] about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[55] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter,"[56] 10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information,[57] and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard. [44] And Clive Goodman, in a letter from 2007: "The practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the editor. I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. In 2005 at the age of 16, Patrick Collison was the recipient of the 41 st Young Scientist of the Year for his work with Lisp. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? - Devised and implemented a new Conduct Risk Framework and Conduct risk management strategy for Permanent TSB Group. Ive got a better understanding of myself, I suppose, without wishing to get too airy-fairy about it. Its not on my record. . I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. Andy: Yeah, there was a report online, I think, that said that and it was complete nonsense, it didnt happen. And prison is the ultimate leveller. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. I have apologised during the trial and Ill do it again now, here. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. Pic credit: CBS. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. Andy: Yeah, yeah. Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. So its just too easy, I think, either for him or for me to say, I wish it had never happened, because you make decisions in the moment. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. Jane: And that was what, because of the dangers of drug smuggling? I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. Find professional Andy Coulson videos and stock footage available for license in film, television, advertising and corporate uses. But the bigger point for me is that number of people who ran into the gunfire for me, who owed me nothing and who have become unbelievable friends and support to me and to the family. I knew nothing about it, obviously. When you resigned, did you feel the sense of the crisis that was about to come your way at that point? And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. So, what are yours? And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. Without any shadow of a doubt, as a couple and as a family. And then we got closer to it and as it looked likely that we were going to succeed, David sat me down and said, I need you and I want you to stay. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. Having been told Id be there for the duration, I suddenly got a knock on the door and got chucked a couple of plastic bin liners and they said, Fill these up, youre off.' Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. I think woe is me are probably the three most useless words in any event. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. 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Thats all nonsense. And I think that is a clear lesson, that the what if is as pointless as the why me?. And so invariably youre stood behind another prisoner as he makes his call and the amount of times that that prisoner would then turn away from the phone with tears streaming down his face was frequent. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. [62], Coulson was charged with having committed perjury during the trial in 2010 of Tommy and Gail Sheridan. That Id go from one to the other in custody, if you like. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. Entirely self-inflicted, entirely my fault. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. The saddest thing in prison is when youre queuing up for the phone, because thats how the system works, you have to wait to be able to use the phone. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. Former government director of communications and News of the World. Because then you know actually, its not just a matter of getting through this, Im into it all over again. Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? I think it probably did. But first and foremost it was a professional relationship and thats exactly what I wanted it to be and he wanted it to be. Jane: So youd make a lousy newspaper editor now? Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. And thats the reason why I resigned. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Andy: Yeah, always. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. Its hopeless. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. Theres a lot of kind of, Ill help you out here and you help me, and I knew I wasnt going to engage in any of that. And that was, youve got to accept where you are. I would say I felt anxious right at the start, because its the unknown. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. Long before, in truth. Ex-spin doctor Andy Coulson found guilty of conspiracy to hack phones Phone hacking took place while he was the editor of the News of the World Police identified 4,000 possible victims of phone. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. And I managed to get there. [15] Other defendants were cleared. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. Nobody there wanted me to go. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. Speaking outside the court, Coulson said: "I'm just delighted that after four pretty testing years my family and myself have finally had a good day". Andy: Well, losing people, like we all have. Jane: I mean, in fairness, Ive known you, what, 25 years and you were like that before you had a crisis. Jane: So, you have to sit there on your own. And why? (listen here). Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? But Ive got some good techniques now. I think actually, given that I was a tabloid newspaper editor and a political communications director, I dont really think theres much of a moral high-horse for me to climb on if people want to form a view of me. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. Do you think thats fair? "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. And I thought to myself, Serco are rubbish at security but absolute bloody masters of irony. 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