";s:4:"text";s:25290:" He pitched very good ball for you. August 7, 2018 I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. And complaining about how fat he was? Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. GoMets2006 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. April 30, 2009 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the
"Never bothers me," Lolich says, smiling. Stu Baron The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Mickey liked his doughnuts. The point is he made a bad team worse. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? Man, he was a big one. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. April 6, 2012 Max Power Bob P Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. 170 lbs.? Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. support. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. But Don Grant was bananas, and he took the first decent offer he received. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. That would make him a star in today's market. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Really? He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. April 23, 2003 Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. Shickhaus Franks End of Line He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. You can't be serious. John Bruce But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. (thankfully returning in '81). mets And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Not that THAT did squat for the Mets! October 19, 2011 Raymond Malcuit God bless him wherever he is and good luck! senor ortiz May 8, 2003 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Late 1930s was then purchased and ran by Gus Kalohn and his 2 sons Pete & Paul (Gus' Steakhouse) into the '80s. What an interesting parallel, huh? 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. June 2, 2006 April 6, 2012 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Ramblin' Pete 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Stu Baron C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. GoMets2006 Really? Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Raymond Malcuit Jr. May 7, 2013 The bat-and-ball-shaped sign confirms that the shop belongs to the Mickey Lolich, the lefty who won 217 games and struck out 2,832 batters in a 16-year career with the Detroit Tigers. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. This has never happened before? LA-Mets Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Larry Burns July 15, 2016 Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. September 29, 2007 To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Mike B The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. John Bruce Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Feat Fan March 5, 2006 Baseball burnt him out. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. '', At the end of his playing career, like many other athletes, Lolich worked as a manufacturer's representative - a glorified salesman - for a company that made cigarette lighters engraved with promotional messages. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. October 4, 2006 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. LA-Mets Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Shickhaus Franks feat fan October 19, 2011 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Ramblin' Pete According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Joe Figliola Pitchingwise, he made Hank Webb look like Tom Seaver. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Bob P Shickhaus Franks For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Late 80s? Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. October 4, 2005 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Shari April 23, 2003 GoMets2006 March 18, 2001 It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. After one year in New York Lolich retired. SPONSORED. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He noted that he weighed 200 pounds when he won 18 games in 1964 and weighed only two pounds more in 1966. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Bob P The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Bartolo Colon etc). August 11, 2015 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. support. October 13, 2008 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. pete senor ortiz October 4, 2006 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Interactively search for the happiest and saddest endings to Mets games. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. September 25, 2013 However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Dianna Jeanneh Jones But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. GoMets2006 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. John Bruce Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Famous Detroit Tigers pitcher Mickey Lolich ('62-'79), owned "Mickey Lolich Donuts & Pastry Shop" next to the Lake Orion post office. April 23, 2003 I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. 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